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Success Strategies for RV Life: Balancing Business, Family, and AI Tools with Joe Fier

• Dan & Patti Hunt

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Unlock the secrets to a balanced and fulfilling life on the road with Joe Fier, host of the highly successful Hustle and Flowchart podcast, as he shares his remarkable journey from juggling multiple jobs during his university years to becoming a successful entrepreneur. Inspired by Robert Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad, Poor Dad," Joe offers insights on the pivotal role of lifestyle freedom in his career and how leveraging media, AI, and smart workflows can enable entrepreneurs to scale their impact. 

Consistency, mindset, and self-awareness are key themes as Joe dives into the essentials of remote work. For RV enthusiasts seeking financial independence, Joe emphasizes the importance of finding income-generating activities that truly resonate, rather than chasing fleeting trends.  Joe’s personal anecdotes about overcoming initial fears of new technologies and mastering new skills will inspire you to embrace AI and automation, not as replacements, but as tools to enhance your journey.

This episode explores the balance between embracing AI advancements and maintaining human connections, a crucial element for those living both digital and nomadic lifestyles. Joe candidly discusses the challenges of balancing entrepreneurship with family life and mental health, stressing the importance of supportive networks and small daily actions to maintain well-being. Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur or a seasoned traveler, Joe’s practical advice and inspiring stories offer a roadmap to achieving harmony between business success and personal fulfillment.

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Speaker 1:

What if you could do what you love and be successful in business and life? I'm Patti Hunt and you're listening to the RV Life Podcast. My guest today is going to give you so many incredible golden nuggets to help you build a business, see success, but also live your life fully and be happy. I am so excited about this episode I can't even I can't control myself, so we are gonna get to him very quickly Now. He and I met in January and I have been listening to his podcast for the last eight, nine months and I am so excited that I finally have him on the show.

Speaker 1:

The RV Life Podcast was created to educate, entertain and explore the RV lifestyle. Whether you're full-time, part-time or thinking about the RV life, this is the podcast for you. I've lived over three years full-time in an RV and it has been an amazing experience, and I love the idea of bringing people places you know just incredible things to you, my listeners. Now on today's what you Need to Know. It is brought to you by Open Bird Resorts and they have five amazing locations. There's two in Montana, one in Idaho, one in Texas and their newest location is in Nebraska West Omaha, koa, near Omaha and Lincoln. Nebraska is the campground to stop at or to stay at. They have so many unique amenities. They have big screen movie areas, bike cart rentals, huge jumping pillows, gem and fossil mining, they deliver firewood and ice and they have amazing homemade to order pizza. Wow, you got it all right there at this campground. Now today's what you need to know. There is so much coming up now.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

Joe Thier is the co-host of Hustle and Flowchart podcast, a top 1% podcast globally, and part of the HubSpot podcast network podcast globally and part of the HubSpot podcast network. He's a content marketer and digital strategist with expertise in leveraging media, ai and smart workflows to help entrepreneurs and businesses scale their impact and profile and profits. Joe has hosted over 600 podcast episodes generating millions of downloads, and has advised on marketing strategies that have generated over $100 million in online revenue. He's deeply focused in lifestyle freedom and is passionate about helping others structure their businesses to allow more time to travel, explore and enjoyment, especially while living on the road. I know his greatest passion is his wife and three-year-old son, and they love traveling. Welcome, joe Feer, to the RV Life Podcast.

Speaker 2:

Hey, patty, this was awesome. This is really cool. Thanks for having me. I know, yeah, just had you on my podcast too, so it was really cool to be on yours, thank you.

Speaker 1:

It's so cool and it is so great. You have so much information and I know we have to keep it down to about an hour, so we'll get a lot out of it. We will. I knew I had to have you on. It's been four plus months, maybe five months, in the works. We actually met in January face to face, actually in person.

Speaker 2:

We did.

Speaker 1:

That's a pod fest in January and we just hit it off.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 1:

It was awesome and I'm so happy to be able to share you with my RV Life podcast listeners. So tell us a little bit about how did you get into business. How did that all start?

Speaker 2:

Ooh, that started probably what, 16, 15, 16 years ago, something like that, and it started off with me in I was going to university, going to school still, and I think I was, yeah, I was just dating my wife now you know, wife now. Just dating my wife now you know, wife now. But back then it was, yeah, school, working two different jobs and then dating her, but also just like on the side, just knowing there's something different, there's something more. And there was a book I read by Robert Kiyosaki, rich Dad, poor Dad. It's the purple book and there was just very clear visuals in there and all these different stories. You know, I think a lot of it's a parable, but it doesn't really matter. It was enough to show me oh wait, I got to break out of this dollar per hour thing, like I, I was doing a lot. I was really good at all these positions.

Speaker 2:

I'd move up in a lot of the, the jobs I was working, and at the time I was at a corporate job along with a Working downtown San Diego, a big marketing Sorry, a big construction company doing marketing and also doing a whole separate thing with the guy I would actually end up starting a business with. His name's Matt Wolf and I was working at his parents' shutter manufacturer company. So, like interior shutters and his family and also just that environment was the first time I saw the inside of a business. I was like, oh, okay, and he was raised that way, which I was not. I didn't have entrepreneur parents, so that's what I knew.

Speaker 2:

There was like another leverage point I needed in my life that gave me more freedom, which RV life, that's the ultimate freedom right there of location, time, all these things. But I was like, okay, I want the freedom of not having to go, commute or buzz around the county or wherever even travel when I don't want to. And that was enough of the motivation for me to figure it out. And I just went on a crazy path of learning a lot. Luckily, I had a buddy, my friend at the time. We basically would experiment and do a lot of blogging is how we started. We were following other bloggers at the time podcasts, I think they were around, but we didn't even know what they were.

Speaker 2:

They were not like what they are now, and but that was one of the first things we experimented with was a podcast very early on.

Speaker 2:

I wish we kept it up because it would be like same time I think joe rogan started his, which was like ages ago. But you know, as you know, like the more you do the podcasting, consistent, consistently, like things grow, it starts to compound and and now I guess speeding up, like the podcast I have now is what seven years old, almost eight, something like that, um, so it's got some longevity. But yeah, before that it was a lot of just experimenting and, um, eventually I made the leap actually I made the leap to do my own business right when I graduated college, right after I got married. So it was kind of like reverse of what a lot of people would do in that phase of their life. So it was scary, it was very scary, but luckily I had a wife that backed me up on it and she had an entrepreneur background as well with her mom. So we shored each other up in that way and yeah, so it kind of, you know, we short each other up in that way and yeah.

Speaker 1:

I think so much that you said in that short period of time there's so much valuable information. First of all, I read Robert Kiyosaki's Rich Dad, poor Dad. I highly recommend it. I agree. Take out of it what works.

Speaker 1:

I had growing up, decided that I needed to make money. Money was what it was all about, just totally transparent. Grew up in a home where money was always scarce and I wasn't having it. So I decided and this was many, many years ago that going to college, having a, you know, graduating, having a career, you work the 30, 40 years, whatever it is, and then I'd be fine. Well, went to college, became a teacher, did that for 20 years and realized that money wasn't the end, all be all, but also that having that career, working that sort of nine to five, was not going to cut it for the lifestyle I was looking at. So a couple things here. People believe so. Your podcast is in the top 1% globally. So I look up to you, I want to get there, I want to be there. A lot of people, I think, when they see people being successful, whether it's a podcast or business, they think it just happened overnight. They think that you just fell into it. You had the background. Obviously, you told the story.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

It takes time, right, it takes a lot of time, yeah. So give people, because I see people, let's just be real. I see people on the road. They see the TikToker that has a million followers. They say, oh, they're making tons and tons of money. That's what I'll do, and it doesn't work that way, right? So give people-.

Speaker 2:

And are they really making a lot of money? Let's be honest.

Speaker 1:

That's the big thing, so we have a lot to talk about here.

Speaker 2:

We do.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so I'm'm gonna push it to you and give people that thinking like the real talk behind it yes, I'll say what the thing that?

Speaker 2:

um, it takes time, you know, for anything great to develop, but at the same time, I mean, look what you did with this show, too. Like you, you've done some amazing things, things with this exact podcast everyone's listening to, and you've taken it places. I think the key thing I've learned out of all the years is network, like get a circle of people around you that can support you on your learning experience, your production in this case, also partners to help give you exposure to an audience that you want to give value to, because you can try to do it your own and live in a bubble and maybe not ask for help, because that's typically one of the most difficult things Us as self-starters I think we talked about this, patty, on my show A lot of people just have trouble asking for help and not admitting the fact that, like you don't need to know everything and you shouldn't either, because then you're not really a master at that thing you're really good at they might be stifling. So I think about that often. I wasn't always in that mindset, though, but luckily, like, we share the same producer podcast producer producer, luckily and he's awesome, and I'm not just saying that because he's listening, but at the same time, it's true he is, and it allows me to then reframe and focus on what I know I'm best at. I can create space in my life to think about the topics or maybe connect with the people that can make for great episodes or help me get this episode or whatever I'm doing, in front of the right audience a bigger group of people attached to a brand get sponsorships maybe work.

Speaker 2:

Some partnership deals out. Everything I do has this idea of co-creation. Some partnership deals out. Everything I do has this idea of co-creation. How do I do this with other people that are thinking like me, that are aligned? Fun All this should be fun too, because then you're not going to be able to hang with it, unless you really like torturing yourself. But that's weird Because you're going to have to be in the game for a while. And why wouldn't you wanna like, if you start stopping throughout life, you're not gonna. You're not gonna get that. That build up, that you're probably ultimately looking for the freedom you're looking for, um, and then, yeah, it's all around the people. Honestly, it's like who you know, but you got to engineer that and everybody has the ability to do it, and quickly too.

Speaker 1:

Right, and and, like you said, finding people that help support the mission. I like co-creating as well, um, and you have to find what works for you. Some people like just creating within their bubble, so to speak. They, um, you know, they don't want to create with others. I like to create with others, and we're going to talk a little bit about when life kind of knocks you off that path you're on. How do you get back on it? So, for me, I was creating with Dan and suddenly that was gone. But before we go down that road, to touch on some of the things you talked about, first of all, it takes time. No matter what, it takes time, and I'm going to go back and talk about the fact that the RV Life podcast started a little over a year and a half ago. It was, within the first, I think, 30 plus days, in the top 10% of all podcasts worldwide, which blew me away. I didn't believe it. And then, a month or so later, we were told we were in the top 5% worldwide.

Speaker 1:

Now, I'm not saying that to brag, Just saying it. I'm still. I can't believe it. Why I'm saying it is people say, oh, and I've had people say, well, you're lucky and look at how far and look at how quick and what's the secret? And you kind of asked that on the. You actually did ask that on the interview, like what's the secret? And I think the biggest secret and you could share with my audience what you think. But I think the biggest secret is I got to the point, first of all, where I knew how to work harder and smarter, not harder.

Speaker 1:

I wanted to spend less time and get more done. So I've learned those skills before I ever started the podcast. I've learned to face challenges. I've learned to face my fear and the biggest thing was just doing what I love. I stopped doing things because I felt like I had to do it. If I don't love the guests I'm having on or want to talk about that topic, I'm just not doing it. So it's all about putting that energy out of. It's got to be what I love and that's why I was so excited about this episode, because we just hit it off from the start. So, yeah, like on that note, you're in the top 1% of podcasts globally and I hope to get there.

Speaker 1:

And you will Like, on that note you're in the top 1% of podcasts globally and I hope to get there and you will.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, you're on the path. That's the thing. There's a few things I wanted to say because, back to so, its consistency is the biggest piece, but also knowing that it's not just all your efforts that will make it, and sometimes it'll work out and you're like, yeah, it was all me. And then other times it might not work out. You're like, oh man, I suck, or whatever it might be. So it's like I think that's one thing I would always caution and I've learned over the years is like us as self-starters, entrepreneurs or just people who have this vision and we do something about it. Sometimes we yeah, sometimes we do live in that bubble and, mindset-wise, just know that you can ask for help, that there are people that are like you out there, or even people that just want to see you grow and lift you up, and possibly brands that might pay for you to live your dream, whatever that is, if it's podcasting or if it's anything I mean literally YouTube, it could be, not even media, just whatever but have that mindset and then, yeah, the consistency. And then just like, don't cut everything else out. But I like to gauge my energy, like the feeling around what I'm doing, and I think we had a chat about this too. It's like, if you don't really enjoy what you're doing, yeah, there might be a phase that you have to hack it and figure it out. But create a plan like reflect, use your journal that Patty loves to write in every single day, because I did that practice, by the way.

Speaker 2:

Thanks for sharing, and that's a little tease if you want to ever tell people what that is. But it's literally like you audit yourself, and I think if you do that consistently, you'll start to figure out the things that are like they're not a hell, yes. They're like a hell, no. I don't want to do that and do something about it. So delegate it. Find someone else to help you out. Delegate it. Find someone else to help you out. Or use some AI or automation tools that are basically free, prevalent everywhere these days, to help shore up something that you just don't want to do. Or maybe it just does it better than you can ever do, and that's okay.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely and I want to bring in. So a lot of my audience are RVers. Some of them, like I said at the beginning, are full-time, some are part-time, and I have a lot of people just dreaming of getting out on the roads, whether that's just for weekends or full-time, and I see in the RV community a lot of people that are looking to make money, because to be on the road costs money. We could debate whether it's less expensive than living in the house or not topic for another time but the bottom line is to be out there and be free and have freedom on the road. You need money. That's just life, that's just part of it. I've accepted it. And so I see a lot of people scrambling to say, oh, you have a podcast and it's successful and you have a sponsor, so let me do that. Or you know, we had these friends, a number of friends that had these huge TikTok accounts and they were just doing their TikTok videos all the time and it seemed like, hey, that's no big deal, we could do that. And I was like, no, I don't like that, I don't want to do that. They did fine and they were making money and they seem to be enjoying it.

Speaker 1:

And I think the big thing I want to point out to the listeners is do what works for you. Like, I think you should look at everything. I think people should consider everything. Taste every flavor of ice cream, like, at least get that little scoop and that little taste. Every flavor of ice cream, like, at least get that little scoop and that little taste. But, at the end of the day, what works for you, because people trying to chase what's working, safe for you and I may not work for somebody else and you know it do you do, do what makes you happy, do what you enjoy. And again, we've said this already you have to be persistent, because I see people try the YouTube channel. Oh, I tried that. How long did you try it? Well, six months or a year. If you didn't like it and you stopped it, great. But if you thought you were going to make money and stuff, that that's another whole nother story, whole, nother problem. So so there's and again there's a lot here. I want to give people some business strategies, some actual strategies that you help so many people with.

Speaker 1:

Before we do that, like you said, you and I have sponsors that help pay for our show. I know. For me, and I'm sure for you, my sponsors are people that I know I like, I trust that. I know I like, I trust I have actually turned sponsors down. I think this is the big thing in the RV world Influencers, content creators, call them what you want Thinking that you have a sponsor, you're making money. That's what it's about. It's not about that for me. I've turned sponsors down. I've turned big companies down. I'm sort of surprised at myself, but yes, I've been able down. I've turned big companies down. I'm sort of surprised at myself.

Speaker 2:

But, yes, I've been able to do that. It feels good when you do that, right, because you're like I believe in myself.

Speaker 1:

It feels good and I'm grateful and I believe in myself. And they were good companies. There wasn't necessarily something wrong. I just didn't align with it. So my one sponsor, clear 2.0, I do have to talk about them because they have been great over the last three years of our being full time. We've had the inline water filter, so they do water filtration. We had the three-step water filter system and now I have their zero gravity water pitcher and I've learned about the company and what I love is that it truly does make a difference in how it gives my water cleaner. It's cleaner. I know it's getting more of the contaminants out. It tastes better, it smells better and, as RVers, we love that.

Speaker 1:

Now because I have these great sponsors. They just messaged me and said they are now giving 20% off any of their products. We're right around the Hersey Show time, so go to clear20.com type in RV Life Podcast, get 20% off. So that's a nice thing. I can pass a long savings to my listeners, so I'd love that. It's a win-win for everybody, right? Okay? So let's talk about some business strategies and I hope for anybody listening that needs this linear flow. That's not us today.

Speaker 2:

It's going to be all over the place.

Speaker 1:

But let's talk about some strategies. You know, you have the person that is now in the RV. Maybe they dabbled in business. They've done other things, They've worked for corporations. Whatever they dabbled in business, they've done other things. They've worked for corporations, whatever they've done. Now they're talking entrepreneurship. What are some good steps, Good advice?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so you know, on the road, you know everyone's game's different, I'm sure, and you know, I've, I've. I'll just say, like, like one of the folks that works with me is um is on, always on the road, so she does multiple things. I mean like kind of figure out, she blends in, and I don't want to take her story forward, but I'll just say vaguely, like she has a hobby that she travels for and then she also works on the side, remotely, and there's really cool ways for her to do what she loves but also fit in on her own schedule. That basically allows her to earn in multiple ways based off of, in this case, my business. She's helping out with all sorts of in this case, media outreach for myself, for clients, helps run my podcast as well, which is really cool, and and she also does her own hobby that she makes some some money on that and has fun or on that side.

Speaker 2:

But I think the first thing is know what you are, what you're passionate about. Maybe there's something that you can take on the road. I feel like these days the remote life is so Like anyone not anyone a lot of people can pull it off and the use of and I won't talk about all the ways to like how to go remote, but just explore If there's a way for you to take a chunk of time out from, maybe, an in-person location that you're in. Take it virtual, I mean, there's so many tools now obviously zoom, be in the base, but like in terms of ai and all these other you know chat, gpt and there's all these other tools but like you can start to use these as maybe brainstorming devices. That's what I like to do is use.

Speaker 2:

I'm big into AI and emerging technology. I just think about it in the business lens a lot of times, but really the bigger picture of how I think of it is like how can these tools be used to better your life in the process? So, if you're looking at different ways to expand, maybe something you already have going on, go to ChatGPT and literally start talking to it, talk with it and download the app on your phone. There's a little voice feature that makes it pretty easy to do this and you can literally have a back and forth conversation with it and just start giving some ideas you know, like maybe talk about your current scenario, your situation, what your dreams are, maybe things you love and hate about it and ask it for feedback. Almost use it as your own little business mentor or critique it's pretty cool and have it come up with wild and crazy ideas. It's like, hey, I want to take X amount of time off, I want to travel all these places, or whatever it might be. Throw it in there, it's a pretty magical tool.

Speaker 1:

That's awesome, and I've used Chef GPT. I didn't know it had the ability to do that. Now I'm going to let people know you are AI. You have got so much background and so much great information and technology and I'm going to send people to. The website is hustleandflowchartcom.

Speaker 1:

And they can see all of that. We can like that's a whole separate road. I am going to introduce you to my partner podcast, which is RV Entrepreneur. You could talk about all that over there, because that's a great idea. I'd like that idea of being able to talk to chat GPT and just so a little bit of how I got here. Like, let's look at the last five months.

Speaker 1:

So when Dan and I started on the road three years ago, I had no idea what we were going to do. I had never really been in an RV. Okay, let's jump in, let's start a YouTube channel. That was his background and that was great. Again, do what I love. We would go places and I'm like, nope, not feeling it, don't love this, not doing it. And that's what we did and I think it showed through in our videos.

Speaker 1:

When, you know, the podcast came along, I was thinking, okay, here's another thing I have to manage. I'm not sure I even want to do this, got my head wrapped around it Like, okay, well, as many people know, last March Dan got ill and was unable. As of April, he was unable to do the podcast and I just started doing it. I just jumped in and I started doing it because it was something I could focus on. He, you know, was very ill, he was in the hospital, a lot going on, and I had actually Patrick Buchanan from RV Life, who you know podcasts RV Life. He said is this something you actually want to continue doing? And it took me about a second and a half to say yes, I've really loved this. So in the worst of weeks or the worst of days when I had a podcast interview, I could snap in and do something I'd love, and I think that is a huge part of it here.

Speaker 1:

You said your passion do what you're passionate about. So somebody might want to do a podcast, but talk about what you're passionate about. I'm going to give a shout out to both of our producers. Jacob, he's doing both of our shows now, yeah, and he has a homeschool ex-homeschoolers club podcast and he's so passionate about it. He was actually on the show and so people are going to hear about that and that's what it's about. That's what it's really about. It's not about trying to find the video that goes quote, unquote, viral. That doesn't work. So, finding people's passion. I like what you said about ChatGPT, but you did bring up the journal.

Speaker 1:

I did, yeah, and you actually held it up, so we have to talk about that.

Speaker 2:

We will yeah.

Speaker 1:

So people who listen to the show know that I journal. And it's funny because you and I know like when you're talking on the show I'm just sharing me. I mean, I share a lot on the show, but then I'm talking to somebody. So my good friend Bob will say, well, you write your journal with your pencil and I'm like I said that, like I, I don't recall saying that, and I'm like I said that, like I don't recall saying that. So I do, I have a pencil that I write with and it's got to be a regular pencil, not mechanical, but that's just me.

Speaker 1:

But we talked on your show and you were saying, hey, you know, I said that I've had a diary probably since I'm 14 years old and I write in it often and you turn that into every day. And you said you know you have a journal but you haven't written in it. And I said, just cut yourself slack. Like we talked about that. And I, I the point is I think journaling is valuable. Some people like that, as a high school teacher for 20 years, do what works for you. There's not one method.

Speaker 2:

I like my pencil, the paper has to feel a certain way. In all honesty, I know people are going to Do you have a brand that you go to.

Speaker 1:

I do.

Speaker 2:

Moleskine or something like that.

Speaker 1:

No, and.

Speaker 2:

I will.

Speaker 1:

It's called like Moon something. Okay, I have a brand and I don't have to journal with me. I just bought a new cover for my journal. Yeah, I'll share that. The show notes it's a little weird.

Speaker 1:

Now that's great, but the point is we finding your passion sometimes is through chappity, gpt, sometimes through writing, not just jumping in looking around what other people are doing. The rv industry is crazy like that, like people say, oh, this person's going to all 48 states in the next year, I'm going to do that. Well, figure out if that works for you, kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

So and that's where it very good points all around. I love this ping pong and, too, because, like chat gpt I'll just extend it a little further the reason why I like to use it almost like a sounding board and to go back again, talk about business tactics or whatever strategies. That's the thing. It's like we're living in a world right now that everything's changing, especially because of technology. There's other factors in the world, of course, that are shifting things, but I've been in this tech space for a while.

Speaker 2:

I mentioned my old partner, matt Wolf. He happens to now be because we split ways I don't know two and a half, three years ago or so Still really good buddies, one of my best friends. He lives down the street from me but he's gone off into AI YouTube land. So if you look up Matt Wolf on YouTube, you'll see he has nearly 700,000 subscribers on there on YouTube. That started like two years ago or less Like the guy's blown up, but he's become this go-to tech guy, ai news guy basically and he has access to all the biggest companies now sponsoring him. So I mean that's one example of following your passions and how things can turn around like that If you put yourself out there. But the reason why I bring him up again, and then also just the things I've been involved in, is technology. I I network with a bunch of people who are building this tech. You know ai and all these tools that most, most people don't are unaware of. They're aware of chat, gpt, but not aware of oh, what's all this like ai, cloning technology that now can expand what I'm doing, but there's also obviously robots and all these other things that can possibly take jobs and there's a lot of fear, and I think there's healthy fear out there, and maybe I should address that even first, because there's a lot of just not understanding what it is, what the technology is, and we're not going to do that here.

Speaker 2:

You can honestly ask ChatGP and GPT a little bit about that or follow some videos, but the point is be aware that jobs are changing, the ways that people work are changing. I think ultimately it's for the better, but it's better for being kind of on the cutting edge of whatever you're doing. I would start to analyze, especially if you're RVing and starting to get out there, you're already doing something different than most people aren't not doing and just know that you can probably carve out your own little niche, your thing that you're passionate about. And again, chat GPT, use it as a sounding board and maybe talk about what you're currently doing, what you've done in the past past, like analyze some of your best skills, what you enjoy and what you don't, and then like, maybe some thoughts about what you want to do. But then like literally ask it to be critical and be like is this something I can do in this scenario on the road in the future? Like, what? What's my timeline? Maybe the next three years, because the timelines I hear from people in tech are saying, like the next 18 months.

Speaker 2:

Most people are completely unaware, uh, how that will uproot a bunch of jobs that you might be feeling comfy with, or maybe you're, you're thinking about going that route and like, just gear yourself up in the right direction is what I would say, and you know, and talking that through with tools like ChatGPT. There's some other ones. Perplexityai is another. It's almost like a Google replacer. I'd recommend people start to use that and just start messing with these tools, because you'll be one of the earlier adopters than most and I think that's the seat you should have in your at least like the tool on your tool belt, because that's how I see these things that most adopt it now to whatever is in the future.

Speaker 1:

What you're saying has so much value. Again, specifically for my audience, I'm going to go back to the fact that I see a lot of people in the RV community that are looking to be content creators, influencers, you know, let me do. They're sometimes trying to do what people have already done and to your point, let's, you know, start new. Let's build from those things that are being done. When people look, and I will sit and have conversation with people we did a large group at the Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta with a bunch of people that were content creators. Some people were there and they wanted to know what can I start? Where do I begin? What do I do? And it was a great conversation. And all the time, whenever you have these conversations, they'll bring up a content creator that's got a half a million subscribers. They're everywhere. They're brand ambassadors for everybody, and what I need to remind people is they were around before the pandemic and there is definitely that line in the sand before the pandemic and after. Besides the time, you need time to build pretty much anything. There needs to be time.

Speaker 1:

But what happened before the pandemic? Where there was less content and less people are being, and less all of that. You now have a situation where there are more people are being than ever before. Um, you have more people in the space, more content creators, more whatever, and and some people say, oh okay, the, the market's flooded, but to your point it not. You just need to pivot and that was a word that was used a lot during the pandemic, and it's appropriate here To look at what's going on and saying, well, ai is taking jobs. No, no, no, it's opening up different jobs. So when? And there was a good book I wish I could remember it was actually Simon Sinek- Start With why.

Speaker 1:

Start With why he redid the book and had a whole discussion on it during the pandemic. So he redid it, talked about every chapter and he talked about the people who took what they had and pivoted and he used that word to something that was needed during the pandemic. It's a great. It's a podcast. People can listen to it. I think it's great. I think that's the point you're making here.

Speaker 1:

Ai scares me. I will be honest with you. That kind of stuff scares me. Listen when I said I'm going to do the podcast myself, like, I have the equipment. I have the boards, I have thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I want to get on and have somebody else handle it all. When it comes to editing, jacob, if he says what do you think of this? No, jacob, what do you think? Because I want somebody to handle it all. Tell me what you want me to do different, but I want to sit down and talk to people. I know that's where my passion is. Let me outsource everything else and I think AI, while it scares me, I'm going to have people that help me through it, you, joe, being one of those people, because it's a necessity. I think in both of our worlds it's a necessity.

Speaker 2:

It's a tool. It's literally just a tool is how I would frame it. I think it's healthy to be scared of anything new that is kind of, in a way, undefined, you know, in the minds of a lot of us. And it's because, I mean, let's be honest, media has its own take on it and will make it very scary sounding in some cases. But at the same time, any new groundbreaking tool has had that phase and my take is that you can't slow technology down. It has a very clear. It's speeding up, it's getting cheaper, it's like that whole. I wish I could name the law or like the. Anyone can look it up.

Speaker 2:

But basically, from the beginning of time, you know, technology has always been around in some form. It's just getting faster and faster. It's hard to keep up with now. I mean that's why we have a barrage of media. Like you said, there's more content than ever, not only because of COVID, but because of technology. Now you can create content. Ai can help you automate content, make cloned content where it's not even a real person. I mean there's a lot of crazy stuff out there that's possible now.

Speaker 2:

But the way I see it is, there's healthy fear is good with anything, but there's always the human side, so don't forget the humanity. What's that side? Because that is what created everything in the first place. But at the same time, I feel like there's a piece and this is what I'm talking about more and more in my podcast is well, don't forget the human that's behind the tools. How do you leverage the AI tools and bring in that humanity? So the connection? How do you leverage the ai tools and and bring in that humanity? So the connection? How do you, how do you expand the best of yourself, you know as much as possible and highlight the value of human connection? Like, don't, don't forget to actually meet people.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I'm probably preaching the choir here with rb life, yeah, like, yeah, you, you want to see people, ideally, you know, it's like that's the human side of us.

Speaker 2:

But a lot of us, because of COVID and maybe technology, have become a little bit more bubbly, and it's no one's fault because it's like I know, I felt it, even though I'm a very social outgoing kind of guy. I've definitely, like, I've noticed myself change after that whole, you know, three years ago phase, noticed myself change after that whole you know, three years ago phase. But I see, yeah, there's technology, with ai advancing, but also us as humans, is just as much, if not even more, important than ever to have that sense of community, that sense of meaning, like analyze ourself and what we need in this world that keeps getting faster and unknown and scary for a lot of people which, hey, I'm scared of ai and the changes too. Like, you're not alone, I just happen to like hear a little bit more of the details of how it's working and what's coming, probably a little earlier than what the masses might hear.

Speaker 1:

So, yeah, it's, it's finding a way to process it like I get overwhelmed with technology. I was never the one that handled how to do the camera and things like that. I've learned how to do it and I can. And now I think to myself okay, why was I so worried about doing that when you know I, I know how to do it now and it's second nature.

Speaker 1:

I actually was thrown in very quickly to recording a podcast with the big Rodecaster 2.

Speaker 1:

So, for those of you who aren't familiar, it is a great big board with tons of buttons and they are colored and it is like a child's play toy that you know. I want to push all these buttons and I was proud of myself for having watched it and being able to record the episodes I did. And I think the point here is for me, when it comes to AI, I have to take it a piece at a time. I need people for it, like I definitely need people to say okay, this is the kind of AI we're going to use, this is what we're going to use, this is how it's going to work, and that's just me, knowing my learning style. So, instead of getting worked up, taking a step at a time, taking a piece at a time, and I love the suggestions you're making with that, as people are traveling around, as our RVers are traveling around, as our RVers are traveling around and going out and experiencing. So AI is not going to replace going out and experiencing the beauty that is out there the people that you meet.

Speaker 1:

It's just going to, if we allow it, it'll enhance it, and I think that's some of the fear people have and we're not going to dive too far into that. I just believe that AI would be tools for me being in an RV that then allows me more time on the road, and we're going to talk a little bit about that balance, because we're talking a lot about business, but you and I both believe in you've got a three-year-old son, right.

Speaker 2:

Well, I actually have two daughters. Sorry, wow, I don't want to correct you.

Speaker 1:

No, definitely correct me. I make mistakes All good. My next interview, okay.

Speaker 2:

One daughter is almost five years old and one is nine months.

Speaker 1:

Oh little.

Speaker 2:

Very little.

Speaker 1:

Okay, now I'm going to have to wonder who.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to have two daughters. But you know as well as I do. You look at all of, I look at all of your success and I think, okay, well, you're grinding all the time back in the day where people had to grind, being an entrepreneur work and I'm not looking to do that. I don't think you are either. Before we dive into that, I do want to talk about another sponsor Open Roads Fuel Card.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

that's, it's that spot yeah, I mean like I haven't been all 48 states but I, I I am ambitious and I think that time will come.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, I mean I'm thinking of the balance. As a parent, I'm like let's just go there, because I think a lot of folks can relate and if not, I mean you can relate to other things in your life that demand your time. And let's see the balance. I like to call it a harmony. In a way it's almost like a reframe of like I feel like there's times in your life where you just got to go hard and sprint and hustle and grind whatever your term is focus, but then there's times where you really got to rest and not do anything or like somehow take the steam on, take your steam off and like if that's's, if that's the time, you maybe go an rv or maybe you're doing it simultaneously. But yeah, I, it's been a shift for me because naturally my wife's very similar is like we're quick starts, like I think. So getting to know yourself is a big piece of this. I'll just go there. Actually, that's where my brain's kind of connecting, because for a long time I didn't know, and I think journaling definitely helps just to tie it back to that like no doubt, and being real and honest with yourself, but at the same time knowing that all of us are wired slightly differently. It's not really our personality, but it could be the way that we approach tasks, the things that motivate us inside, that give us energy, because we're not all fueled the same way. Not everyone's into tech and wanting to explore the latest and greatest thing. Sometimes you just want to wait and do it. Maybe you just don't ever want to touch it, but it finds you eventually and that's fine. But know yourself. And so there's quick. I'll just say there's quick starts and then there's slower starts in terms of how you might act with things.

Speaker 2:

So for my wife and I, and also a lot of people who start in business, you're kind of quick activators. You just want to jump on something fast. You have an idea and maybe you know enough to like formulate the idea. Or maybe you're your your ideas, to go to chat gpt and voice that thing out really fast, to unload your mind and then get some ideas. And then then you're like fast to put something into action. That's like a quick start if you feel like you are that kind of person. Cool that's. That's knowing yourself, but, like there's a lot of people that need a lot more facts. They're fact finders, you know they do a ton of research. However, you do your research and maybe you're that type that goes on chat GPT and you're like on there for weeks talking to that thing before you ever actually act, whereas like me and my wife, for instance, it'd be like five minute chat Cool, got a plan, let's go try it out.

Speaker 2:

Start a business, start a. I did that recently with someone else, but sorry, jacob, you're probably going to hear about new business eventually. He's probably tired of it by now. But it's like that happens with quick starts or visionary type people, a lot of people who start companies. I mean, you look at the Elon Musk's of the world or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, like those are visionaries. The people have big ideas and and yeah, they just figure out how to do it doesn't matter what but then at the same time so back to like that whole balance idea I found and I interviewed a gentleman on my podcast, justin Breen, I think you mentioned him.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he was fantastic. He's great, I had that yes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah he talked about and I didn't know this part of it is like every anyone who is either a quick start or maybe not a quick start. You need that counterbalance, like you need the in that case, like a quick start, a stabilizer. So who's the one that in your life could be your spouse, could be your partner, could be your friend, a parent, you know, can guide, whoever that you trust, that can actually like, see, know your tendencies and be able to talk with you in a way that maybe slows you down a little bit, brings you back to earth or maybe gives you good feedback where you need it not to go faster.

Speaker 2:

It's like well, hold on, let's think about this. Have you thought about this angle? I think that's honestly been the biggest thing is to have someone that can kind of not be the balance for you but at least shine a light, almost like shine the mirror a little bit at you from a slightly different angle, so you can analyze that part of things and ask for help.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely. And again, so much here. I love that episode You're going to send me. I'll find the link for it. So I am going to put that in the show notes because I love this idea of your kind of I don't know if he called it personality trait, whatever he called it. So you're saying like quick start.

Speaker 2:

That's kind of like an innate, like it's a thing in you, it's like how you interact with the world more than anything.

Speaker 1:

So like innovators I think you called them right Visionary.

Speaker 1:

Visionary that's the word I keep saying innovator, but visionary is a better word. So Dan was a visionary. He was quick and let's do this, this and this, and he would have done all the research and processed it all very quickly. And there I was, would have done all the research and processed it all very quickly. And there I was, and at the time just Googling, you know, and in a rabbit hole of all these different things. So it was a nice balance there really helped us balance each other out. Sometimes it was, hey, you need to slow down, and sometimes, on the other side of it, I needed to pick the speed up. So we worked very well that way and I think that contributed to our entrepreneurial success.

Speaker 1:

But that doesn't mean that you can't. I now have had to find other people around me because I'm more, I think, a visionary. Now I come up with these ideas and have more people around me that can help balance me out. So I'd like that and that should. That's a great I believe a great piece of information. Again for my listeners that are trying to figure it out what do I need to do? Or they've already gone down a road of well, I'm, I'm an influencer, I'm content creator, just trying to figure out that road to go down and to your point, you know, having people around you to balance you, having support, asking for help. I've had to learn that lesson over and over. I'm still working on it.

Speaker 1:

It's hard, it's hard, it's hard. I mean I and again going back back and I I'd like to share my story of what happened over the last five months because I think there's so much that people can learn from that story basically. But it's great when you're not alone. You have the RV community around you, the people that supported me, that I finally just had to ask for help. I had to ask for help parking the RV. I couldn't drive it. So I hope people learn from it.

Speaker 1:

Don't have to wait until something tragic happens that they have to ask for help. That's a big lesson that I had to learn and I'm still working on it because I got to be honest, I'm still trying to juggle what sort of this new life for me. I think I have to do it on my own and I've got to give my own advice. I said to my daughter, dan and I have five kids together and my youngest would do something, she would stress over it, she would work at it, she would try and figure it out. Months later she'd come back and say, well, I did this and what I said to her was adulting doesn't mean you can't ask for help, and I need to give those words to myself and I hope again that people, whether they're just our being or they really want to start a business. They want to make extra money, whatever that is, takes that.

Speaker 2:

Well, you know what, patty, it brings up my father, and this is because this was my time where I felt like I had a big shift in my life, where it took me by surprise. But also I know he could have asked for help. Almost five years ago now. It was right before my daughter was born, my first daughter. My dad committed suicide and he was not in the same town, he actually moved to East Coast I'm in san diego and there I he didn't ask for help and something impulsive happened. But point is he had some blockage from asking for help and whatever it is.

Speaker 2:

Emotions got in the way and you know just something, something and made that decision and uh, so I I'm very much aware of like the darkest side of what could happen without any warning, without like, on the surface level might seem, oh, things are okay, things are happy, but it's like, yeah, that's not always the case and every and that's also one of the things I talk about often I don't like to talk about it, but it's something I know is important, even with, obviously and he was right before covid that whole time. But like, think of after that, all those rates have risen, the suicide rates in in a whole bunch of different demographics. Um, the rise of technology, I think, is going to be also a contributing factor, unfortunately, because a lot of changes just in life, job, whatever it might be. So I think, again, the human side, right. That's why I think it's so important, because we can't ignore that these things that we might take for granted, like oh, I know it all, I have access to everything now it's like no, you, you need access to humans still.

Speaker 2:

And and you need to put yourself out there because, yeah, you could get caught up in your emotions, but like you don't need to be emotional. Like because if you get caught up in those emotions in a way that like literally everything kind of comes in at you, you're the walls are coming, then you don't feel like you could be helped. You're kind of comes in at you, you're the walls are coming, then you don't feel like you could be helped, you're kind of helpless. You know so and you're not thinking logically. And I think that's uh, that's what I've learned, at least over the last five years, primarily to, um, yeah, ask for help, but also know life's going to happen and you never know it could be the closest person to you Something you know, life changes in an instant and I've seen it. You've seen it and got to pick yourself up, but like yeah, and such a big topic.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, for sharing that.

Speaker 1:

I think that us sharing our stories is so important and again, you know, with what's going on with Dan, it's relatively new, so important. And again, you know, with what's going on with Dan, it's relatively new, but I feel the need to share the story to help others because I think you know he had a number of strokes. What caused them? Is there a part of it that has and we'll call it mental health component? You know, to both sides. I truly believe that.

Speaker 1:

I think it's an important conversation. I hope we can continue that conversation because it's so valuable, because I think that for you and I, both our podcast platforms are to help people whatever way. So if that's making more money traveling the road, you know better, safer all of that stuff, traveling the road, you know better, safer all of that stuff. That's what I think I know, both of us, that's our passion for having our podcast, so it's a great platform for it. So that is something I definitely would love and have been thinking about for a long time, because I've dealt with family members with mental health.

Speaker 1:

I don't say issues. It's not the right word. I'm looking for the right word. I think we all have struggles, mental health struggles and it is about asking for help, it is about reaching out and you know that is a big topic and I definitely want to continue down that road, I know it, I will too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yes, we definitely are going to do that. And people let's just say now that people who may be listening that are struggling there is help out there. There are people. Reach out to friends. If they're not helpful, reach out to others. There are people out there, you know, that are willing to listen and help. And if you can't find that first person, look for others. And I know I've had to depend on a lot of people over this last several months.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and you know something I do is really quickly is going on. A walk is great. You know, like I'm a big fan of habits, little micro habits, things that I can do daily, because usually when you're feeling stuck or overwhelmed, stressed, depressed, whatever it might be, you've lost some of those habits. Like my dad was a runner, stopped running, played guitar and sang, stopped doing those. He actually quit his work early, like before retirement, and all that Probably not a good idea because he had great community there.

Speaker 2:

And move locations, stop talking, there's a lot of things that are hints, but like when it's you it's hard to see those.

Speaker 2:

But from the outside in, you know, like people notice you just might not be hearing, but, um, like the thing that I think all of us should do also is contact more people and like I do this often if I'm on a either driving in the car, usually I like to turn the radio off because it's like I just let my mind go.

Speaker 2:

Sometimes I do chat with ChatGPT at the same time and get some ideas. It's a good brainstorming session. But I also brainstorm like who are the people that I should reach out to? And I might not just write it down, I'll just pick up the phone. I'll send them a voice audio from my phone and I'll do it on walks too. But it's like if someone pops to your mind, reach out like there's a reason why they just popped out into your mind and like you never know what they're going through or what cool light they can shine. Your way on what's going down, and just check in, just just you know whatever comes to mind and just keep that door open. And sometimes I try to do that at least a few times a day. I'm not always perfect, but like just imagine just doing that, even one a day.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and I Takes 30 seconds or less, you know.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and I can't. I couldn't even begin to talk about the people and I say it to them how grateful I am for the support that I've had over the last several months. I can't even imagine what it would be like without the support that I've had, and people need that. I'm nothing special. I'm nobody special. Make sure you have your people. I do know you have a time frame here, because you and I could go on and on.

Speaker 2:

I know it flies, yes.

Speaker 1:

And we are going to continue this because this is too important.

Speaker 2:

I would love to.

Speaker 1:

Yes, we are going to do that. I do want to talk about it is September. People are unfortunately starting to have to store their RVs. National Indoor RV Center has storage and they do it better than anybody else, I think. They have concierge level service that truly takes the hassle out of motor home ownership. So you take that RV to one of the NIRVC six locations across the country and they truly take care of your RV. What's nice is, let's say, you need new tires put on. You don't have to do it while you're trying to spend time on the road. Motorhome Tires will actually come into NIRVC or any location and put new tires on your RV anywhere, anytime. They are another amazing company that just helps keep people on the road.

Speaker 1:

I do believe people getting on the road are one of those things that have definitely helped my mindset. I've met again, like I've said before, amazing and supportive people. But it is now time for the question of the week, and it's brought to you by OpenRoad's Innovative Toll Solutions. This is a toll pass. This toll pass, you pay $24, and you could use it on any road in the 48 states. Now you pay the same. It's $24 for the year and the toll is the same as if you use any local toll pass, but you don't have to deal with the hassle of worrying about which toll transponder you need. It is money saving. It is just fantastic. The link will be in the show notes, but I'm going to ask you the question of the week, and that is what's on your bucket list? What is something, a place, an adventure, an experience that you would love to, that you'd love to have?

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's a good one, patty. And this is something my wife and I have started to think about more, because two kids, you know we in this phase, we want to show them new experiences and travel around and we've thought a lot about abroad. But even just like I mean in the realm of the show, I mean just going around and really cool spots around the US. I mean there's so many places to explore, so genuinely like I think, renting an RV and just going out for an extended period of time, like handful of weeks, um, haven't taken them to zion yet. Utah, I've been there once. Uh, did green canyon, all that? I know. Like zion, I think it's what bryce canyon, that whole area is super beautiful. So, taking time around there in colorado, um, those are great.

Speaker 2:

Uh, I'd say that's like the local thing. Like the bigger maybe not bigger dream I wouldn't say that but like the broad dream is to spend a lot of time in Spain. I really love southern Spain, like Marbella. My daughter's actually in an immersion school right now, so it's like she can teach us a lot in Spanish, but yeah, I just love that. I like the lifestyle of slowing down, like the pace of life there and also, I'm assuming, on the road is just slower and I like that and that's the pace I want to instill for myself, my wife and then my two daughters and have them experience what culture or people are like. So I think that's the coolest part with going out and exploring other people.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely. That has been the most amazing, and again, we are on a time crunch, so I am moving quickly and it is time for the feature campground of the week, and it's brought to you by RV Life. This week's feature campground is Marina Dunes RV Resort and it is a Thousand Trails campground and it has only 65 sites, so a small, quaint campground. I haven't had the privilege of being there, but the pictures were beautiful. Whenever I look up the campgrounds that I'm going to share with people, I do a like I. I take a deep dive, maybe a rabbit hole, into, like, looking at all these beautiful pictures. Um, they do offer full hookups. They have pull through sites. Pets are welcome. They're minutes from Monterey and not too far from Santa Cruz beach. Sounds like an amazing place to be.

Speaker 2:

Santa Cruz is cool.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, that's why I picked it, because it's in California. Marina Dunes RV Resort has a solid 8.2 rating on RV Life Campgrounds, with 189 reviews. Now if you go to campgroundsrvlifecom, you can go there and there is a book now button and you can book your stay at Marina Dunes RV Resort. You could also see all the pictures. I was talking about their full list of amenities about this property, as well as looking at all of the RV parks, campgrounds, resorts, city, state and national parks. By visiting campgroundsrvlifecom you get all of the places across the country. They are a really comprehensive, just place to see it all what you're looking for, what campgrounds. They even have Costco's and Walmart's and all of that stuff on there everything you need. Okay, joe Fear, tell my listeners how to get a hold of you. I know they're going to have questions for you. What's the best way to get a hold of you?

Speaker 2:

You know what. I'm going to go on a whim and I'll give you my email address as well. If anyone really wants to strike up a chat or if you feel like it can help you out in some way, I'll do that after I tell you where to find my podcast and some of these cool things. So hustleandflowchartcom will take you to the home site or homepage of my podcast. So you mentioned it's been going for a long time now over 600 episodes. It's pretty wild. So if you're any way interested in entrepreneurship, marketing, business and kind of creating a really cool lifestyle around it, go check it out.

Speaker 2:

Hustleandflowchartcom there's also on the home page. I'll direct you to this little cool ai tool. If you want to see one of the things I'm learning about, you can talk with ai me that way. There's a link right in the front. You'll see a big button. It's totally free and you can literally text, you can voice chat and you can even video chat with me, almost like a FaceTime call with my clone. But it's just wild and it also has information from all the episodes built into that. One thing that's incredible.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to check that out. I'm not going to be afraid of AI. I'm going to check that out. I have not. I'm not going to be afraid of AI.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to check that out.

Speaker 1:

That's true. It won't hurt you. Now I'll put this in the show notes. Thank you so much for being on with us.

Speaker 2:

Thank you.

Speaker 1:

Patty, reach out to me at RV Life Podcast on Instagram or Facebook, ask questions. If you forget it all and you put your questions there, I'll certainly share it with Joe hey.

Speaker 2:

Patty, I'll give my email address too.

Speaker 1:

So if there's any like yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Like if anyone out there is truly like you think I can help you out, I mean, I'm just going on a whim. I'm like I just want to see Maybe a couple of y'all, the first ones that reach out like happy to do a quick chat, you know, if you think I can support you in some way, and I kind of want to hear your journey too, especially if you're out there on the road like I'm going to live vicariously through you. Maybe point me some cool ways to Joe. It's very easy. Joe J O E at hustle and flow chartcom, just send me a message and I will reply. We'll figure it out.

Speaker 1:

Okay, and again I will have all that in the show notes for people. We are going to do this again for sure. We are going to take a deep dive in some of these tough conversations we have had and both of us, I know, want to encourage people. If you're struggling, reach out to somebody. Reach out, get out, do something. There are people that are willing to help and be supportive Always. Thank you, Thank you again.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, patty, this was awesome you have been listening to the RV Life Podcast. I'm Patty Hunt, wishing you a great rest of today and an even better day tomorrow.