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The Ultimate RV Trip Planning Guide: Avoid Mistakes & Travel Smarter
Planning an RV trip can make or break your adventure. In this episode of I (Patti Hunt) is joined by Mike and Susan Scarpignato of *RV Blogger* to discuss the best strategies for stress-free RV trip planning. They share insights on choosing the perfect campground, budgeting, avoiding common mistakes, and staying safe on the road. Whether you're a full-time RVer, a weekend warrior, or just getting started, this episode is packed with expert advice to help you maximize your RV experience.
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Planning an RV trip. Today's guest will help you make it stress-free and unforgettable. I'm Patti Hunt and you're listening to the RV Life Podcast. Whether you're a beginner or a seasoned RVer, trip planning could certainly make or break the experience. Today's guest, mike and Susan from RV Blogger, is here to help us make the most of trip planning. They're going to cover everything from, say, the perfect campground to the safest route, budgeting, avoiding common mistakes and so much more. Mike, susan, why is trip planning so important?
Speaker 2:Well, for us, trip planning is so important because, for a number of reasons, it really helps us to make sure we have a smooth trip when we're out and about.
Speaker 2:We're gone for months at a time, and so it just adds a lot of form and function to what we're doing and where we're doing it. You know, not only are we traveling around enjoying the sights and, you know, seeing this beautiful country, but we have work, commitments and things like that that we need to keep up with, and so it helps us to stay organized and on track. But overall, I really believe it helps to make sure you have a very enjoyable experience. All that being said, we know other full-time RVers that just totally wing it and they do their own thing and they're very comfortable doing that. But for us, we really feel more comfortable knowing where we're going and when we're supposed to be there, and that way we feel like we can just squeeze the juice out of every day of our RV adventures, because we have it planned out so well, and so we just make the most of our time that way.
Speaker 1:And to your point, I think that trip planning sometimes does mean winging it, and we're going to talk about that. I traveled full time for over three years back and forth across the country three and a half times and we my husband and I when we started out, had such a tight plan, everything that was planned out. We were in a campground for a month and then we're ready to take off across the country and that first day out plan totally changed so you could have your plan and be flexible. So I want people to know the planning doesn't mean every minute of every day is planned and again, we're going to get into that. The RV Life podcast was created to educate, entertain and explore the RV lifestyle and it is my mission to inspire you to live life to the fullest.
Speaker 1:Now, while planning, you might want to consider these incredible destinations by Open Road Resorts. They have locations in Idaho, nebraska, new Mexico and Texas and these are amazing locations and that is Open Road Resorts and you can find their campgrounds at openroadresortscom or you could go to campgroundsrvlifecom and see all of the reviews, all of the amenities, everything you need to know about their campgrounds. Well, let's get into today's guest. It is Mike and Susan. I'm going to have you say the last name.
Speaker 2:It is pronounced Scar-pin.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have you say the last name? It is pronounced Scar Pignato. Wow, scar Pignato. I didn't want to mess it up and they are from I said it very good RV bloggers.
Speaker 1:They have been RVing together for the past six years. They are three-quarter timers, which means they are out on the road for nine months at a time and in a house for the other three. They travel either in their Class A motorhome or their Class C, and I would imagine that is going to change plans for the types of trips and the places they could go. They have three different websites, including the RV Blogger website, and it has just about everything you need to know. They also have an incredibly successful YouTube channel with over 190,000 subscribers, a private Facebook group and so much more, and we're going to get to some of that as we introduce them and I think, rv life.
Speaker 1:So this is what they said RV life is much more than just how to live in an RV. It's also about the freedom to live life that you want to live. They wanted to help people to live life on their own terms and they came up with the tagline Shift, control, escape and that you will see under their logo as part of their logo. So I want to welcome Mike and Susan to the RV Life podcast.
Speaker 2:Thanks a lot, Patty. It's great to see you again.
Speaker 1:Thanks for having us. Yes, and we met in Tampa or did we meet in Hershey? I think we had dinner together. I think we met in Tampa or did we meet in Hershey. I think we had dinner together.
Speaker 2:I think we met in Hershey first, and then we met again in Tampa, and then we met again in Hershey, where we ended up having dinner together.
Speaker 1:Yes, we did so. In addition to all of that that, I edified incredible people. It was wonderful having dinner with you guys and getting to know you guys. Your bio is incredible. We're going to dig into that a little more, but let's go back and share with the listeners. How did the RV life start for you two six years ago?
Speaker 2:Well, we both had our corporate jobs back then and we would. We would go on vacation together and we would typically just go to an all inclusive resort somewhere and enjoy a week on the beach, you know, relaxing. And one year Susan said you know why don't, why don't we rent a camper van? And like cruise the PCH in California. And I was blown away. But I was like you got to be kidding, that sounds awesome.
Speaker 2:So we began, you know, looking into camper vans and I was like you know these camper and I was not an RVer at the time, by the way, I mean, I was a tent camper, tent camped my whole life. I swore I'd never buy an RV because that's not really camping, that's living in a condo in the woods. And so we're looking into these camper vans. I'm like you know they don't have bathrooms in them. And we had a 10-day vacation planned and Susan was like well, you know, you can rent an RV. And I had no idea. So we ended up renting a class a, 19-foot class C RV from Cruise America. It was so small, there was no bed in the back. The only bed was in the over cab.
Speaker 3:When we pulled up and saw it we were like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2:We made a big mistake.
Speaker 3:That's a little small.
Speaker 1:But we spent 10 days Just to give. I want to give people who aren't necessarily familiar. So a Class C over the front seats has a space, that's usually what two or three foot deep Right At the most right, and there's a bed up there. That's where you're talking about.
Speaker 3:And then underneath that it looks like a truck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like the bed.
Speaker 3:A truck and a camper put together.
Speaker 2:Right. So we hit the road, we flew to. We live in Maryland, so we flew to Vegas, rented our RV there and then we drove 2000 miles in 10 days, all through California. We hit Death Valley, we hit San Francisco, we cruised the PCH all the way down to Huntington Beach, drove through the desert, past Joshua Tree and back to Vegas to fly home. And it was the best 10 days of our lives. It was a life changing vacation and when we got back home I had a fantastic job. I loved my job and but I was like you know, I can't do this anymore. I need to figure out a way that we can travel on the road and see this beautiful country and make a living while we're doing that.
Speaker 3:We got addicted.
Speaker 2:We really did, and so we investigated a lot of ways to create a business on the road and landed finally on blogging and a YouTube channel. And we were incredibly lucky because, you know, we started it and it just our intention was just to share what we were learning about RVing, because we were really into it. We bought our first RV and we were learning a ton, and Susan and I both like to research things and and I had been a coach and a mentor and a trainer in my previous job, and so I feel like I was good at conveying information and teaching people things, and so it all really worked out incredibly well.
Speaker 2:Of course, covid hit right after that, and so for a lot of folks, covid was a horrible experience. It really hurt their business and their ability to make a living. But for the RV industry it was a real boom time for all of us, and so we kind of got lucky with our timing. But, man, everything took off and blew up and within a year or two I was able to replace my income, and another year I was able to replace Susan's income so she could leave her job, and that sort of was the springboard we built to be able to take off into RV life, and so it all worked out incredibly well.
Speaker 1:And that's an incredible story and I know people are thinking from the business side of it. There's a lot of people that are probably very curious about that side and I just want to let people know that you two were on the RV Entrepreneur, which is RV Life's partner podcast, and you talked about the entrepreneur side of business, which I think is great and anyone that wants to listen to that. It was called it's the RV Entrepreneur Podcast and it was building a runway for success in RV content creation, and that is episode 376 over on the RV Entrepreneur, and I'll post that because I'm sure people are thinking about that. How do I do it? Let's jump in now and talk about the importance of trip planning. You told us how important you feel like it is.
Speaker 1:We talked about the fact that trip planning isn't necessarily planning out every minute of the day. So for people who are saying, well, I like to wing it, which I learned, that I just wanted to wing it, but there are still certain things you need to plan and one of those things, obviously, is safety. So whether you're in your class A or your class C, the roads that you're able to travel on are going to be very different. So why is it important not to use things like and I just want to get into the safety part of it first, but like I hear people that use Google Maps or Apple Maps or Waze to navigate their 40-foot RV, why is this not a good idea?
Speaker 2:Well, we can tell you firsthand.
Speaker 3:We have experience from that as well.
Speaker 2:We were driving through New England in our Class C RV and we were kind of new at this, and so we were using Waze. Huge traffic jam on Route 90 on the way to Boston, of course. Every day that happens, and so Waze took us off the road to take some back roads to beat the traffic jam. Well, we're driving down the road and all of a sudden we come to a bridge that we have to go under. One little problem we couldn't fit under the bridge, and this was during rush hour traffic, and so I had to stop. I couldn't back up. I had two miles of traffic behind me and luckily another guy was coming towards us. He stopped his car and blocked traffic from that direction. He was a fellow RVer and got out and was like I can see, you're in big trouble.
Speaker 3:He's like you used ways, didn't you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he blasted us and he stopped the traffic from his end and it allowed us to be able to kind of turn around and get out of that situation and then and then the traffic could go again. But boy, what a, what a big mistake that was.
Speaker 3:If I could add one other our trip in California. When we were doing the trip, planning for that as well, there was a bridge that had been wiped out due to mudslides, and so the route we were taking would take us to that point, which we obviously couldn't go. But there was another road that we could take that had switchbacks the whole way around that mountain to get to the other side, and the only way you could travel that road was to have a vehicle that was under 20 feet, correct, and so that was why we rented the 19 foot motor home. So that was, you know, we would have rented a larger motor home, but we knew we had to stay within that limit in order for us to be able to travel that route.
Speaker 2:And we also wanted to go to Sequoia and you couldn't have an RV more than 20 feet long to get into Sequoia National Forest and to the campground where we wanted to stay. And we learned all that from our trip planning.
Speaker 1:So that's where it's good for people to say, hey, I want to wing it, totally fine Wing it, but this is a good reason. Like I drove in a Class A, you know, 40 foot, with the car attached, there were places I just couldn't go. So when there were other places I wanted to go, I thought you know what it'd be cool to get in a van and be able to go to some of these places, like out on a beach somewhere. So that is part of what we talk about when we're talking about trip planning. I just had somebody on the show.
Speaker 1:Their episode went out on February 26. Went out on February 26th, the guy, wonderful people, don and Deanna from Cool RV and what happened was same thing. They were using Google Maps, they were using Apple Maps. They both had separate maps, but they were both Google and Apple. They come to a bridge and their Google Maps said they are fine, and they went under it and hit their AC unit and broke it. Now, from that, they created CoolRV, which is a way to cool your RV off. So something great came of it. But that's not usually the case, not the recommended way, right, thanks? So let's just talk. I mean, this is the RV Life podcast. We both use RV Life suite of products. What is the best? Rv safe GPS? What do you recommend to people?
Speaker 2:Well, we highly recommend RV Trip Wizard. We use it ourselves, I mean, every day we're on the road. We use RV Trip Wizard. It is hands down the best RV trip planning tool in the marketplace and I've tried them all and it just has so many awesome features built into it, the biggest of which, the easiest of which, I should say, is taking your trips and getting them into your GPS system. You know, it couldn't be easier with RV Trip Wizard. So we use it for both our trip planning and I use it for my GPS while we're driving. It's really seamless.
Speaker 1:Right, and we did the same thing, and so when we started out, it was during COVID. So my story during COVID, we were in Las Vegas, everything was locked down. Dan was producing and directing a magic show on the strip and they said look, we don't know when this is going to open back up. And he called me to his office and said let's sell everything, go in an RV and travel the country. I had been in an RV total of seven nights prior to that. So I was like, what are you talking about? And what he did was he checked out all these planning tools and he took RV Trip Wizard. He liked that one the best and he planned out all these things we could do. That's how he convinced me, like, look at the things we could do. So that was a tactic, but we also have been using RV Trip Wizard from the beginning. The difference let's talk about the difference between somebody using Google, apple Maps or Waze and the RV Trip Wizard.
Speaker 2:Okay, Well, if you use Google Maps or Waze or Apple Maps or any of those other products, they don't take into account the size of your vehicle, and so it would have no idea if you could fit under a bridge and how tall you are, or if you can drive over a bridge that has a certain weight limit, because you know our rig weighs 22,000 pounds, so our Class A does anyway. So with RV Trip Wizard, you can enter in all of your RV's information so you can put in the height of your RV, the weight of your RV, and even if your RV has propane on board, because there are certain tunnels you can't go through if you have propane. It really makes not only a trip planning part but the routing part very, very easy and safe, and so you don't end up stuck somewhere and have to turn around and lose two or three hours of your day.
Speaker 1:Right, and so you're in Maryland. I live in Pennsylvania. For those people don't know the East Coast, one of those times I was in the RV before we started full-time. We went from Pennsylvania down to Virginia, so we went through the Baltimore Tunnel with a great big propane tank. You're not allowed to do that. That is a no-no. So the fact that it also asks about propane, as well as the length of the RV, including the car on it, it's just huge.
Speaker 1:And again, for safety reasons, having a RV safe GPS system, we all recommend that, first and foremost, that should be part of your planning. What are we going to do to navigate? And there are lots of stories out there. We could all tell about people getting stuck. There are lots of stories out there. We could all tell about people getting stuck, you know, knocking something off their RV, going on a bridge that they shouldn't be on, all of those things. Let's talk a little bit now about you know, when we're talking about trip planning. So we talk about where do we want to stay, what kinds of things do we want to see? I did a podcast episode on the 12th that talked about different types of camps, campgrounds, different ways to camp. So there's boondocking, moochdocking. You know your RV resorts. So just for people who may not be familiar, because some of my listeners some are full time, some are part time, but some are looking to go RVing, so let's give them a little bit of background on different types of ways to camp, like different places.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, the most traditional way to do it is to go, you know, to a private campground, that's, you know, in the local area, and you pay anywhere from 50 to, I don't know, these days up to 200 bucks a night or more to stay there. But that's a traditional campground that a lot of folks go to, and the private campgrounds usually have amenities like a camp store. They might have a swimming pool, they might have all kinds of activities that you can do there. And then, of course, you have your state parks and your national parks as well.
Speaker 2:And then, for us, we do a lot of boondocking, and boondocking means a lot of different things to different people, right? So there's your very basic boondocking, which is I've got to drive from point A to point B. I can't do it all in one day. I don't want to spend $80 at a campground just to spend the night, wake up in the morning and leave and continue my journey. So we'll boondock one night at a Walmart, a Cracker Barrel, a Cabela's, a Bass Pro Shop, a rest area, you name it.
Speaker 2:And then there's your real boondocking, where you really try to get off grid and go out into nature and enjoy that experience, and we do that as well, and we even can use RV Trip Wizard for those experiences as well, and a lot of people don't know that because there's no address for these places. But we may find just coordinates, gps coordinates. We'll find them on, for example, ioverlander, and iOverlander will give you the GPS coordinate to where the spot is. You can enter that into the search bar on RV Trip Wizard and it'll put that spot on your map and now it becomes a part of your trip. So it's just been fantastic. It's so versatile and it really helps us out. But those, I guess, are the main ways that you would go camping.
Speaker 3:And it also RV Trip Wizard also shows Walmarts, cabela's and some of those stops that you can use for your overnights. So whether you just need to hit a Walmart and get some supplies, or whether you want a place to stay overnight, those are also listed.
Speaker 2:And now RV Trip Wizard has a great new feature, which I'm totally happy about. We've been asking for this for years and years and years. The Harvest Host locations, boondockers, welcome locations and all the Harvest Host upgrade golf course locations are now included, and that has made our trip planning even better. It's been great because we stay at a lot of those locations too.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And a couple of things I want to add on. First of all, what I learned. I've stayed at the Walmarts, the Cracker Barrels, those types of things. I see a lot of people go on Facebook and say, hey, I'm going to stay at this Walmart, is it okay? I I see a lot of people go on Facebook and say, hey, I'm going to stay at this Walmart, is it OK? I highly recommend calling the location. So no matter what somebody says on Facebook, because sometimes that changes. There was a Walmart in Jacksonville and it was supposedly one that RVers had stayed at. When I called the manager of the Walmart, he said we no longer allow it because somebody else is taking care of the parking space. So you're not allowed, you'll get ticketed. So, just as a caution, call those locations and double check. Things change with them all the time. And then you were talking about the Harvest Hosts and the Boondockers. Welcome, let's explain to people what that is.
Speaker 2:For those that don't know, Well, harvest Hosts is a membership that you join. I think it's $99 a year. A lot of us offer discount codes because we work with them very closely. But you can stay at breweries, farms, museums, there's even restaurants that you can stay at all kinds of stuff and these are local places all around the country that allow RVers to stay overnight for free.
Speaker 2:The Boondockers Welcome part of it is you're going to stay at someone's home. You may park in their driveway overnight, or they may own a large piece of property and you can park somewhere on their property overnight. The great thing about Boondockers Welcome and a lot of people don't know this is that over three quarters of their locations offer some sort of hookup, because you're parked next to someone's home, so very often they'll let you plug in to their electricity so you can run your air conditioner. Many of them will let you use their water hose so you can fill your water tank. Very few of them have dump stations, but at least you have something. We have stayed at one that had a dump station and it's fantastic. And then the golf course locations for all you golfers out there, you can't beat it. You get to stay there for free. You're right there. You get up in the morning, go play a round of golf, and there you go. You know it couldn't be better.
Speaker 1:Right, and to add to that, I've had on the CEO of the company, joel Holland, as well as I had an episode a couple months ago where they talked about upgrades to Harvest Host. They are now allowing, at some locations, three additional nights, so Harvest Host used to be just one night. They also have some places now that do have different types of hookups. Now I do want to be clear If you go to your Trip Wizard, you won't see Harvest Host unless you have a Harvest Host membership and you're signed in. So that's important for people to know. You have to be a member to sign in to see those locations. Okay, we talked about, you know, safety, which is big. We've talked about finding campgrounds as people travel around the country, whether it's short trips or across the country, like we've done several times across the country.
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Speaker 2:Well, I think a couple things. You know, for us we always have. We always have to think about what we want to do when we get to the location that we're going to, and then you know where do you want to stay in conjunction to that, and, of course, what's the best way to get there. Another thing with trip planning is how long do you want to drive every day?
Speaker 2:You know we've we've traveled all around the country and so sometimes, um, for me to drive seven or eight hours in a day is just, it just wears me out and um, so we'll set a radius on our, on our map when we're doing our trip planning of like four hours. You know on our map when we're doing our trip planning of like four hours. You know that's four to five hours is about the max that I want to drive, because a four or five hour driving trip really takes about five or six hours. Because you got to stop for lunch, you need to stop and use the restroom, you need to. You know you might want to stretch your legs, you need to get gas, there's a traffic jam somewhere, and so it just takes longer than the actual drive time, and so we try to set limits so we don't wear ourselves out while we're traveling.
Speaker 1:Right, one of the things I suggest to people. So I traveled with my husband the two of you are traveling together to people. So I traveled with my husband, the two of you are traveling together. And then there are people that I talk to all the time that are traveling with kids, or the mom, the dad, you know, like different people. It's really the communication between people. So people are on the same page. How long are they comfortable driving? You guys have come up with four or five hour trips, which are right, can take five to six plus hours.
Speaker 1:What kinds of things you want to see, what kinds of things you want to do? I know when I first started out, I had this attitude like I'm never going to be back in this area, so I have to see everything there is to see. And I was in such a hurry to see it all, to do it all. Let's cover all 50 states, you know, including the. You know I do want to get to Hawaii and Alaska, not in the RV, but you know it's like these, these goals we set. That may not be realistic. One person may be like hey, I just want to take my time, I just want to stay somewhere for two weeks. Somebody else might be, hey, I want to move every three days. So I have you know this like get everybody on the same page. At least get everybody's idea, including kids. What do they want to see? What are they comfortable with? How long do they want to be in an RV or a car, do you guys? How did you guys work it out?
Speaker 2:the you know between the two of you. Well, it's funny. You know, we find that if we sit down to do trip planning without a cocktail, argue a lot about what we're doing and all you know, it just becomes very uncomfortable. Learn like, have a cocktail and then begin our trip planning together and it just relaxes us and we find that we're able to talk about this is a really great point. I'm glad you brought it up. So we just talk about things and it does help us to be on the same page. And also for people with pets it's a big deal too, because you have to plan many more stops, I would assume.
Speaker 3:If you have a limited amount of time you're going to be in a location, then it's best to know upfront what it is you want to see and what your expectations are. If you live like a vacationer, like you said, where you're trying to squeeze everything you possibly can, you will absolutely exhaust yourself. And now you're in the RV and you're driving again and then you get to your location and it's run, run, run, run run and it will deplete you. So you do have to have a realistic approach to what all is it that we really want to see and and adventure to um, because if not, you can exhaust yourself.
Speaker 1:And one of the things. So I'm not. I. I like to have my cocktail once in a while, but it's not a big thing. So when Dan and I would sit down to do trip planning, I had to have chocolate, a snack, and usually, whatever your resources are, whatever the resources are, I'd have my laptop and my thoughts and ideas and he would have his. And there would be times where it was like, okay, we have to table this, let's breathe.
Speaker 1:But our goal became enjoying the journey and while that seems simple and silly, it was huge. Are we going place to place? I'm in this place now thinking about the next place, because we've got to get there quickly and we've got to move quickly. So it took about three or four months of craziness before we said, look, we're going to take our time. We didn't know how long we'd be on the road, but we're going to take our time. We're going to not only enjoy the place we're at, but the time it takes to get there.
Speaker 1:Like I heard, people before we started out that just dreaded travel days Like, oh, my goodness, we're talking for Dan and I. We were talking about moving every one week, two weeks, sometimes three weeks, and I thought to myself, if I'm going to dread that plant, that, that trip, that you know the, the, the trip from point A to point B, I'm going to make myself crazy. I may as well, you know, just go fly to a, a resort. So we just got to the point where it was like you've got to enjoy the journey, even that trip. There's so much to see along the way, just being just sitting in the driver's seat or the passenger seat I like to be the passenger princess there's so much to see. How do you guys feel about that? You drive four or five hours, which sometimes takes six plus hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we go so far as to plan what we're going to talk about while we're driving, like, hey, let's, let's talk about these things tomorrow. But you know, we'll also, as we see things, susan will look things up on her phone because you'll pass interesting things on the way and it's like, oh, I wonder what that's all about. And then so she'll look at, because I'm driving.
Speaker 3:I'm on Google Earth and I'm going oh, that's blah, blah, blah, that's over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we try to squeeze as much fun out of every single minute that we can while we're on the road and being able to enjoy those things along the way. I mean, the reason we bought a big class ARV one of the biggest reasons is for that big, giant windshield in the front. We wanted to see everything, so we really try to enjoy all of that as best we can.
Speaker 3:And, like Mike said, a five hour trip could be six or more, or a four hour trip could be six or more, because we will stop along the way, you know, if there is. Well, luckily, when we were in California, our drives were like maybe even an hour or two, because we would see an overlook and we'd be like, oh my gosh, pull over. And so we'd pull over, take some pictures, and this is a great place to have lunch, and that's where we would stop and have lunch. And so, you know, we wanted to take in the location with us the journey along with us. Like, if I'm going to say I've driven from one end of Texas to the other, I want to be able to say that I stopped here and saw all of this along the way as well. It wasn't just, you know, through my windshield, it was an experience and I'd like that suggestion, like hey, tomorrow let's talk about this.
Speaker 1:Whether that's your next trip, you guys have events that you go to. I'm sure you could do some of the planning. I used to do that too on the Google Earth, like, hey, that's whatever, and just these really cool things that were around. So these are great suggestions. I also had a playlist, like a music that we enjoyed, and because Dan did all of the driving, he got to choose what we listened to. You know, because you get to that third, fourth hour, sometimes you need that upbeat, sometimes you need a little more soothing. So a mix of music.
Speaker 1:But we also listened to books, audio books, which was great to do, and then we talk about those. So those for people, whether you're two people together, whether you're by yourself or you have kids, planning some of those things will make that journey a lot more enjoyable. Great suggestions you brought up some things that could come up. Certainly, we talked about a four or five hour trip could take six or seven hour trips. Sometimes they're way longer. So, even within planning, as we said, before stuff happens, we decide we want to pull off and this looks like a great place to stay, so we're going to stay here for the night. Let's talk about some of those things, like you know, like underestimating drive times or you know, what suggestions can you give in those kinds of situations?
Speaker 3:Well, I always say we have a plan A, but then we always have a B and a C and a D. Usually, whatever our original plan is, we never really follow it. Nope.
Speaker 2:It just doesn't work out.
Speaker 3:Guideline. It's an approximation. Now, usually, once we hit the road though, we're pretty much more set, but we're very flexible and we allow that flexibility. It could be weather. Weather might be like uh-oh. When we were in Arizona and we had to make it back to Maryland, we were going to take a northern route. Well, everybody was getting hit with snow, and so we decided that wasn't the route to take. So at that moment we recalculated our route and took a different route. So even though we start out with Plan A, we don't always follow it as a good guideline.
Speaker 1:And if it works, great, but if it doesn't, we have options, and so we're going to talk a little bit about what happens when your plans change with, you know, booking campgrounds. We hear all the time campgrounds are overbooked. You're not going to get in unless you plan, so I'm going to ask you about that. We talked about weather. We're going to talk about, you know, some other issues that you've had happen, things to avoid, as well as let's talk a little bit about what to bring with us on those trips. But before we get to that, I want to mention, for people who are looking for a new RV or that first RV, the ultimate VIP event for RVers is Music City Motorhome Expo and it is May 31st to June 4th and you can be the first to see the 2026 model year coaches, and this is from all the major manufacturers. There's a limited attendance, so you get to test drive as many as you want and you'll get to chat with the manufacturers, the product developers, engineers. I was at this event last year. It was amazing. They have seminars, they provide three meals a day and high-end entertainment. If you're interested, go to Music City Motorhome Expo. It will sell out. I know it's only February and we're talking about the end of May. It will sell out. You want to check that out. That's something interesting.
Speaker 1:But now let's get back to other kind of issues. Look, rv life is living the RV life. You've got to be a flexible, you've got to be able to pivot. That's a word, big word that's been used. But change your plans, change your thought, change what you're going to do. So what are some of those other things You're talking about? Plan A, b, c, d and I want to be clear you said that most of the time the plan A doesn't happen. It doesn't work out. So people could cut themselves a break. Plan A doesn't always work out. You could either fight it and be like so miserable, like this is where we said we were going to be on Thursday, or you could go with the flow. I highly recommend the go with the flow attitude. But then what happens with campgrounds? What are you guys finding when trying to stay at a campground last minute?
Speaker 2:It depends on where the campground is right. If it's near an area that's very, very popular uh, like florida, in the winter time, forget about trying to book things last minute down you can't get into any state parks. You can't. You can barely get into the thousand trails we're thousand trails members. Even they get all booked up. So it's very, very difficult in that area where we went to a to Arizona this past winter and it was a completely different experience. Right, that's the. You know, arizona is kind of the Florida of the West, but out there we had no problems booking campgrounds at the last minute ever. It was really a very different experience. And so same thing is also true in the. You know, if you're at beach areas or amusement parks just super popular areas where a lot of people are all on vacation at the same time National parks is very true for those as well you really need to plan like a year in advance and otherwise you may not get a campground.
Speaker 3:If you're in those highly populated, sought-after locations, amusement parks, things of that nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if we're planning to be in a big vacation or a very popular area or a super popular national park, we will have all of our trip planning done before the next year even turns over.
Speaker 2:So it just kind of depends where you are. Other places we go, it's really not a problem at all. And then, luckily for us, we do enjoy boondocking and our rig is set up for that, so we can harvest, host it and stay at a Love loves gas station and hit a Walmart and stay at a crack. I mean we could go for 10 days without having to have hookups. But so for us, you know it we can plan things without having to plan a campground, especially if we know the schedule might change. If we know the schedule might change and there and it takes a lot of stress off of us because if you have a campground booked, it's kind of hard to change the reservations, sometimes to call them and say you might be a day late or two and can you add a day or two at the end they may not be able to do that. So you know, it just depends on where you are and how popular that area is.
Speaker 1:And I now work with RV. Life works with campground owners and I'm working with them now. So I'm talking a lot to campground owners and I know when we first started out four years ago now, that was the case you really had to get things booked if they were the big popular places. Over this last I want to say year maybe in talking to campground owners, a lot of times they have those spaces because. So I see what I see happening more recently is people feel like I've got to book a year ahead, I've got to book six months ahead. So they book everything out, especially in the thousand trails and we'll talk a little bit about thousand trails. They book everything out and then they're like well, I had a book, you know they're 180 days, whatever their time frame is. And then they're like well, I have that booking, but I really want to here, so as soon as I get that other place, I'm going to cancel. That's kind of been the. What I'm seeing is what's happening and what I want to say to the listeners, if you're flexible so I was never flexible, I was always a planner Like there's a trip we are going on, this is the day we're leaving.
Speaker 1:I know what time I have to wake up to get to the airport. Like, planning was a big thing and you know, being in an RV, I've really learned to be flexible, like, okay, I was in Florida this past winter. The winter before we were in Florida, dan got ill. Everything changed. I had a week booked and then had nowhere to stay and I'm like you know what, we're going to figure it out, something will come up. So, whether it was staying in a Cracker Barrel or a Harvest Toast and last minute I would call places and we were always able. I always say to people there was that one night we just stayed on the side of the road, like literally. But really have to be able to be flexible. You have to be able to just be like, hey, it's all going to work out. If you don't have that personality, then booking further out would be way more important. So to your point, I do see things in the campground world changing. You're right, florida in the campground world changing. You're right, florida in the winter is going to be the most popular. So if you're planning on going to Florida, especially the Keys, you want to plan day SAP. But let's talk a little bit about campgrounds because I think as part of planning, I didn't realize how expensive campgrounds were going to be. So when we started out, all of a sudden, it was like this is going to cost a fortune.
Speaker 1:We had heard honestly we had heard about Thousand Trails it was from a YouTuber, they totally bashed it. We had heard some other negative things and I'm just being totally transparent, I've told this story before and that's what I'd listened to, that's what I believed and I was like there's no way we're doing this Thousand Trails thing. And we were in Oregon August of the first year. We went out and there were fires from California and there was smoke so bad in the area.
Speaker 1:We were with our kids and our grandkids and we decided we were going to go to the beach and that beach was it was Whaler's Rest and it's a Thousand Trails. So we called this Thousand Trails member specialist and I was like this isn't going to work out, we're going to be out this money. We bought a camping pass. We were able to go Sunday this was on a Saturday. We signed up Sunday, we were able to go for five days and then we said we wanted to extend. So we extended and from there we upgraded our membership and it has been the biggest savings, because, when it comes to people planning trips, budget is one of the parts of that. So talk a little bit about your experience with Thousand Trails, because it's saved us a lot with Thousand Trails because it's saved us a lot.
Speaker 2:Well, thousand Trails, certainly if you're going to be in your RV more than six months a year. For us, you know, being on the road eight or nine months a year, thousand Trails saves us a ton of money. I mean we would spend $30,000 to $40,000 a year on campgrounds if we didn't have thousand trails, and so you know, it really made a lot of sense for us. Now, thousand trails itself it's a mixed bag. Some of the campgrounds are awesome and some of them are like man if this wasn't free I would not be here tonight. And their computer system is very antiquated, so it's frustrating to make reservations sometimes. But we've kind of learned that if you get on the chat or you call the campground directly, that's the easiest way to book your reservations. If you just rely on the computer to make your reservations, you'll be very frustrated, but the value they offer is really tremendous.
Speaker 3:We have definitely saved. I mean we paid up front, of course, because a lot of people are like well, you're not staying for free. No, today we're staying for free because yesterday we paid up front. But Mike has calculated every time we've stayed at a campground, at a Thousand Shares Campground, what it would have cost out of pocket had we not been a member. And at the end of the year he was able to do the math.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And you know it's paid for itself over and over and over again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're literally staying for free now because the membership has paid for itself. So it's fantastic. The membership has paid for itself, so it's fantastic. And the other nice thing with it is you can plan in advance with it, and so that helps as well. And once you're in a campground and you want to extend, the folks there are very, very nice, and most of the time it's worked out for us extremely well. We've had a couple of times where we couldn't extend, but for the most time they really do try to figure it out and help you make it work.
Speaker 1:And that's been my experience, even in Florida. So for me I was like, okay, it's costing, it cost. Over the first six months or a year it was like, okay, this is going to cost $10 a night for camping is what it was down to. And then over the second year it was like, okay, this is going to cost $10 a night for camping is what it was down to. And then over the second year I stopped calculating but it was really affordable, manageable.
Speaker 1:What was funny is if we were in the Florida area, let's say, and there was a thousand trails, and then we heard about a campground and somebody said, well, it only costs $60 a night, I was like, well, I don't want to go there. But girls, right, there are different types of campgrounds. You have to keep your expectations. So I spent a lot of time at the Thousand Trails Campground in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1:It is a place to park your RV, but that allowed me to go to the Strip. It allowed me to go see, you know, the Hoover Dam. It allowed me to explore the area of Mount Charleston. There was so much to do. My goal in that trip was this is where we park the RV, this is where we're going to sleep Full hookups, and just about all of them have full hookups. This is where we're going to sleep and then we are, you know, exploring the area. So that's another benefit and that's something that people in planning need to consider. You know cost of RV parks where they're going to stay. You know just overall budget is going to be a big deal for people.
Speaker 3:Right, because when you're traveling, you have to ask yourself am I going here because I want to enjoy the campground or I'm going here because I want to enjoy the amenities outside the campground? For us, in many cases, we're not going because I want to enjoy the amenities outside the campground. For us, in many cases, we're not going because we want to enjoy the campground. It's just a place for us to sleep so that we can see all what we want to see. So, even though it might be a less than desirable location of a campground, that's not really our purpose. It's safe. We're in a safe campground purpose. It's safe, we're in a safe campground. But our main point is to be able to explore. And the other nice thing about Thousand Trails is, if you're not a full-timer, if you're a weekender, you can just buy a camping pass to wherever your zone is, and so now you could just hit however many campgrounds are in that zone pass and still benefit financially from that, and you don't have to be a full timer.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I've seen it. I mean, I've seen the numbers and the other thing with Thousand Trails. You know it's like you said. There are times for me. We both work, we were both working while we're on the road. There are times I want to go to a campground, sit at the campground. In Pennsylvania there's a place called Circle M. I park by the river and just want to sit out there with my cappuccino and that's great. And then there are times I do want to be part of the activities within the campground or, like you said, just be somewhere where you could explore. And they have a lot of different things. Thousand Trails also, I believe last year in the summer, had a new membership. So it's different. You don't have to buy, like this, lifetime membership. So anybody who looked at the Thousand Trails membership before they have changed some of that. I think it's a great deal what they this new membership they came up with.
Speaker 3:One other quick thing I wanted to just add. If you didn't mind and this is kind of tying in a little bit of RV life with Thousand Trails you can see the campground reviews. So if you are in doubt in question, you know, if you've heard reputation about Thousand Trails, campgrounds or whatever you can easily go on and check the reviews on RV Life to determine whether or not you buy pictures or buy what people say, and that's at campgroundsrvlifecom or through the RV Life app, the RV Life suite of products, and that's a great point.
Speaker 1:And I'll say, take what you see with Life suite of products, and that's a great point. And I'll say, take what you see with a grain of salt. All of the reviews are by RVers, Like a campground cannot change them, they can't edit them, they can only respond to them. But take it with a grain of salt. It's like people would complain about Las Vegas, the campground in Las Vegas. But what are you going for If you're going to sit outside and enjoy your outside space? That's not the campground in Las Vegas. But what are you going for If you're going to sit outside and enjoy your outside space? That's not the campground. And that's how you could kind of judge what type of campground you're looking for, which is important while people are planning.
Speaker 1:So let's touch a little bit on. We've covered a lot of stuff. Let's touch a little bit on and maybe there's a whole different show. But you know, talking about essentials that you pack. Now you guys have the house and the RV. Some people are in it full time. Weigh your RV when you load it up, Cause a lot of times. It's way. I found that out myself. We started loading it up, sometimes way heavier than it's supposed to be, but you know, can you just give a quick what some essentials are? Again, this is part of the planning process. What do you need to take with you?
Speaker 2:That's kind of a hard question for us because we leave our RV packed all the time. In fact, we have clothes that we keep in the RV and then we have clothes that we keep at home, clothes that we keep in the RV and then we have clothes that we keep at home. So we don't have to constantly pack and unpack because we don't. We don't come home for three months all at one time. We travel, we might travel for two and a half months and it's like, well, we missed the kids and the grandkids and we might be in Texas. So we'll, we'll park the RV in the storage lot at the campground, usually for 25 bucks a week it's pretty cheap and we'll fly home and then we'll we'll fly home to Maryland for three weeks and visit everyone and then fly back to Texas and just continue our journey from there. So we we have every. We have to kind of two of everything, because we would always forget stuff we know we'd have to. We learn pretty quickly if we have to pack every time. We come home and then leave again and we're home four times a year, five times a year, for short, two, three weeks stints.
Speaker 2:It, it was very inconvenient. It it was very inconvenient. So, like my computer charger, every time I'd come home I'd leave the computer charger in the rv and I can't charge my computer at home and that. So. So now I have two I wanted home and one in the rv. Sunglasses same thing, pair for home, pair for the rv. Um, so that's how we've kind of grown to do it over time. Um. So it's tough for us to say like you know, how would you do that?
Speaker 3:Weight-wise though, I would say it's kind of like the closet. I don't know her name, but she gave a great tip one time where, hanging up your clothes in your closet, you put your hanger one way and if you get to the end of the year and all those hangers are still in that same direction, then you're not wearing it. Get rid of it.
Speaker 3:And you can do the same thing in your RV. You may overpack it with all kinds of cool gadgets and gizmos and things to make your camping experience more fun, but then you may, at the end of the season, have to take a look at that and say did I ever use it? Is it taking up space? Because if it is just taking up space, then you know you got to get rid of it, lighten the load, and so there's. There is a constant rotation with us, like with chairs. Yep, you know we were guilty of having way too many chairs.
Speaker 2:We were. We were at RV Unplugged when we were on the show the first season, and it's funny because I was on a quest to find the most comfortable camping chair. And so it turned out we had six different sets of chairs in our RV all at one time. They actually made a video. We put out all of our sets of chairs. We had a set for the beach, we had the zero gravity ones, we had our heated chairs, we had the regular camping chairs that fold up and you carry them.
Speaker 3:Then we had these really tiny light ones.
Speaker 2:Then we had the little tiny light ones so you could carry them. I mean it was crazy what we were doing, but we like to try a lot of different things out because you know, we don't recommend products to our audience that we don't actually use ourselves. So we're kind of we always have a lot of gear on board and a couple of times a year we kind of have to go through and pull stuff out.
Speaker 3:And some things can be seasonal, like if you are winter camping, you might need extra heaters or chairs. If it's summertime, then you might need your fishing gear and your beach gear, so you may have to adjust Yep and.
Speaker 1:I think that. So you guys do the, you know the two of everything. I was full time, so you're right, you know putting so much stuff in the RV, then deciding because sometimes it's just personal preference, like what you need, but thinking about the kinds of things you want to do and planning. Now that I'm in a house I'm traveling by plane, mostly car I have two of everything. So I've done that too because I'm just tired of leaving stuff and it's not like it's costing necessarily more money, you know, it's like two of all my hair and makeup and supplies and all of that. I haven't got the second computer cord. I might know that.
Speaker 1:But again, in planning, what kinds of things do you need? I think that's a learning process for everybody. There's not one set list to good suggestions. I make a list. I have a packing list that I have on my phone. It's in the note section. I can check it off and then I can uncheck it for the next trip. Some people do a laminated type thing where they check it off and wipe it off. I recommend that because there's some things you forget that are important and you can't just easily get. Again. We're talking about planning, but you can't plan everything you got to be flexible. Stuff's going to get left behind. But just to mention, you guys were on the first episode of RV Unplugged, the first season of RV Unplugged. I saw the show and that is now being shown on RV TV, correct?
Speaker 2:It is. It is, our videos are on RV TV as well. Right, right it is. Our videos are on RVTV as well. Right, right.
Speaker 1:So RVTV is somebody else that we're both very well connected to, and they can check out your season on RV Unplugged, as well as your videos on there. Yep, big content there. So just a shout out to them. We could probably spend another hour on these topics, but I do have to start wrapping up. We are not done yet.
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Speaker 2:Well, a big bucket list item for us is going to Alaska. Um, we haven't been there yet and um, but we don't want to drive to Alaska. I mean, driving to Alaska is like driving from Florida to Washington State, except you leave from Washington State and you drive to Alaska. It's a far, far drive. So for us, the way we would do it is we would probably fly to Alaska and then just rent an RV while we're out there and enjoy it. Now, for other folks, part of the adventure is the journey, but it's just such a long drive and the roads aren't. The roads are bumpy and all. We would have to go very slow in our Class A. I would not enjoy it if my rig is bouncing up and down and getting all shaken up because things break when that happens. So we would fly out there and then rent an.
Speaker 3:RV Plus, we would probably want to stay places that A would not fit.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So we would probably rent something, like you know.
Speaker 2:A camper van. Yeah, a truck camper, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm with you guys. I want to go to Alaska. I don't want to drive, I want to fly in, get the RV, do the and, like you said, a van sounds great to me Be able to go to all the places that the big rig can't go to. I don't want to necessarily stay in a hotel. My bucket list is to see the Northern Lights and that's a great place to do it. And again, I've talked to a lot of people who've done the Alaska trip. They've driven there. I've talked to people who've done it solo and in groups. It is highly recommended you follow a group, somebody who's done it and can navigate the whole process. Just a caution when you're planning, make sure you have somebody that can help you through that journey, because it's a big deal. So thank you for that suggestion. Alaska is one of those places I want to go to in the summer.
Speaker 2:Absolutely in the summer. It's still cold in the summer too, by the way.
Speaker 1:I know. I know somebody who spent well. The host, jim Nelson of RV Entrepreneurs spent an entire winter in a cabin in Alaska and you can check his website out to find out all about that. He and his wife spent the whole winter and when he told me that that's the we're making faces for, those people can't see us in Philadelphia right now. I'm looking to go South. It's cold here.
Speaker 2:Same, it's cold enough.
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Speaker 1:Rv Life Campgrounds is part of the RV Life Pro Suite of products. This is the most comprehensive source of all things campgrounds. So, whether it's an RV park, campground resorts, city, state, national parks you guys talked about those boondocking sites Thousand Trails, boondockers Welcome. They have so much on this site. If you need to know more about that, there is a link in the show notes to get information about RV life. Well, susan, mike, thank you so much for being on. Please tell people how to reach out to you. I usually like to say that sooner it will be in the show notes. We got so gross. What's a website people can go to and find out all about you?
Speaker 2:The best way to connect with us is just to go right to rvbloggercom and right on the home page you can scroll down and you can sign up to be a member of the RV Blogger community and from there we'll send you out some newsletters and connect you with our other websites so you can use them as resources. One is called motorhomefactscom, so for your motor homers all kinds of articles there and the other one's called traveltrailerprocom, so for all your folks with travel trailers, fifth wheels, pop-ups lots of resources there. And you can also join our private Facebook group called RV Camping for Newbies, and we have an amazing group of people there where there's, I think, over 155,000 people on that group, so you can learn all about great camping destinations and how to fix things or just good ideas about camping recipes you name it. People share all kinds of things. It's phenomenal.
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Speaker 1:And you guys are an amazing source of so many things, including. I know you love to go in and do tours in RVs, like at the Tampa show you did a lot of the tours of the new RVs. That has been a big thing for people. So you guys are an amazing source and, as you said, anybody who's listening, that's new or has been on the road, you know, using content creators, influencers, whatever you want to call us, there are ways to get discounts on a lot of the services and products that we talk about. So I want to thank you guys so much for being on. I greatly appreciate it. I encourage people to reach out to you. Of course you're on the social media platforms, which they can see on the website. Thank you both so much.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for having us. We really appreciate it. It's been a pleasure chatting with you and seeing you again.
Speaker 1:Yes, it has. It's been great, and will I see you guys in Hershey at the Hershey show.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we go to Hershey every year, so we'll be there for sure.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about it, and we're so close to it I'm in Pennsylvania so I'm really close. So, for those who don't know, september is the Hershey RV show. That's one of the largest RV shows. It's called America's Largest RV Show, and RV Life will be doing their after party again this year. So stay tuned for all that. I look forward to seeing you there and if people see you, they should come up and say hi, right, I always get people.
Speaker 3:Yes please.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. We tell people all the time. If you ever see us out and about at an RV show shooting video or at a campground somewhere, come on over and say hi, we would love to meet you and get to know you a little bit. We'd love to hear from our viewers and other RVers, because that's how we learn about what's going on in the RV industry too.
Speaker 1:Same thing. I've had people say oh, I saw you at blah blah blah, a campground. I didn't want to bother you. No, come up say hi. And if not, I have my social media Instagram, Facebook and that is RV Life Podcast. Would love to hear comments, suggestions, what you think about the show, all of that we both would. All three of us would love to hear that. Well, thank you for listening. Remember life's a journey. Live each day to the fullest, without regrets. I'm Patti Hunt and you've been listening to the RV Life Podcast. You